The following is a position statement that summarizes some of the recent breakthroughs involving stem cell research and offers a "common ground" position that may provide a viable solution to the moral and ethical morass surrounding stem cell research, regardless of one's individual view of the moral worth of embryos. The case being made is that recent breakthroughs involving induced pluripotent stem cells and the extraction of viable stem cells from arrested development embryos make it possible to achieve the incredible potential of stem cells for treatments and knowledge while at the same time preserving the value and dignity of human life, even in its earliest stage of development.
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Common Ground on Stem Cell Research
Francisco Ayala, who recently debated William Lane Craig on the viability of ID, has written a review of Stephen Meyer’s prominent book, Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design. The publication of this book has led to a flurry of exchanges among proponents of evolution and ID, but that will have to be the topic for some other time. In this post I mainly want to focus on two key points that Ayala makes in his review, which he also used in his debate with Craig. An earlier post offers some of the responses from Craig, Bradley Monton (the moderator), and others following the debate, which may provide some background and context for my following comments.
Two weeks ago, Campus Crusade for Christ at Indiana University sponsored a debate on the question, “Is Intelligent Design Viable?” The audio for the debate is available for download from the Apologetics 315 blog.
The two participants were Francisco J. Ayala and William Lane Craig, and the debate was moderated by Bradley Monton, an atheist philosopher of science who argues that ID is deserving of serious consideration as a scientific theory (even though he personally believes that it is false). Monton recently published a book called Seeking God in Science: An Atheist Defends Intelligent Design.
Francisco Ayala is Donald Bren Professor of Biological Sciences, Ecology & Evolutionary Biology as well as Professor of Logic and Philosophy of Science at UCI, and author of a number of books such as Darwin and Intelligent Design, Darwin’s Gift to Science and Religion, and the Handbook of Evolution: The Evolution of Living Systems, in addition to nearly a thousand publications on evolutionary biology.
William Lane Craig is Research Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology, and a noted philosopher, theologian, and Christian apologist. He is respected among theists and atheists alike as one of the strongest defenders of the Christian faith, and he has debated a number of people in defense of the existence of God and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Some of his exceptional debate opponents include Anthony Flew, Peter Atkins, and recently a very prominent debate with Christopher Hitchens at Biola University on the existence of God. His website, Reasonable Faith, is a great resource for Christian apologetics and it is also a recommended visit for those who have serious questions or doubts about Christianity. See the debate’s Participant Information page for more on the accomplishments of both Ayala and Craig.
What was very interesting to me was that this is the first time that Craig is debating specifically on the topic of intelligent design in biology, and I was curious to hear how he would fare against Ayala, who has written numerous books and articles on biological evolution and and one specifically against intelligent design.
I’ve been neglecting to post more entries to the blog lately, but it hasn’t been due to writer’s block. I’ve been writing a great deal lately, but the majority of my writing has been in online exchanges on stem cell research (from which came the ESCR debate series) or on intelligent design and evolution. You can follow the two ongoing debates about ID here and here (my involvement in the 2nd thread begins with post #37). I’ve certainly been learning much from preparing responses for these debates, and they have enabled me to sharpen my understanding of the issues. I certainly hope to present some of the key points from these debates in this blog in the near future, but one of the consequences of engaging in these discussions is that once you start, it’s hard to stop without seeming like you are conceding the argument.
One thing I’ve been seeing from the ID debates is that the vast majority of the arguments that people offer against the theory of Intelligent Design stem from a basic misunderstanding of what the theory is about. This has emphasized to me why as a teacher it is critical to fairly and accurately present both sides of a debatable issue, so that students can arrive at their own reasonable and informed conclusion as well as be knowledgeable enough to respond fairly to arguments from those who hold opposing viewpoints. And this is why I have been sharing direct excerpts from these debates in this blog, so that people can see the actual arguments that are raised against the positions that I take, rather than my (potential) misrepresentations of the opposing arguments.
I want my students to follow the evidence where it leads, not where I or anyone else says that it leads.
One other thing I’ve been learning through these debates is the importance of character, even in an online discussion with faceless opponents and nameless audience. In spite of the rather impersonal nature of these online debates, we must always remember that we speak as Christ’s ambassadors, as if He were making his appeal through us. How we say things can be just as significant as what we say.
There can be some mean-spirited people in these online debates. Rather than relying on reason and rationality in their arguments , they resort to ridicule and insult to try to make their points. It can be tempting to descend to the same disparaging tone, especially when these defamatory remarks tend to draw popular support. But even if this kind of attitude can win the argument, it would not be a victory if we lose the real battle over the hearts and minds of those that we encounter. I draw encouragement from these words from 1 Peter 2:15-17, 21-25:
For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.” When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
Part 3 of the debate regarding embryonic stem cell research begins with a comment that Tom made in part 2. This part specifically addresses the question of whether an embryo is a living human being.
Tom wrote:
So your argument is that medical science should not be pursued because you see no possible benefit from the study of leftover embryos you admit do exist? Why is it preferable that any number of embryos be destroyed, rather than donated to the advancement of human biology?
I have never denied that benefits could not be gained from embryonic stem cell research. But just because a line of research can be medically beneficial does not mean that it is morally right to conduct that research. Various examples from the past can be raised, but that would be tangential to the primary point of this discussion. Most people would agree that scientific research that involves the purposeful killing of innocent human beings should not be allowed. The crux of the matter, then, is whether the embryos used in ESCr are living human beings. Tom argues that they are not, therefore no limitations need be placed on ESCr.
Can you explain why a human being without a brain or heart or blood is "alive" when it is an embryo, yet "dead" at any other stage of development?
Tom has already provided the answer in his question. The criteria used to describe being alive at a certain stage of development cannot be arbitrarily applied to all stages of development. An 18-year old who cannot do arithmetic, or read, or write in complete sentences, would rightly be described as having failed to be educated. But it would be wholly unreasonable to say that a kindergartener in her first week of class who cannot do these same things has failed to be educated. The criteria for what constitutes an educated student at one particular age aren’t necessarily the same criteria for a student at a completely different stage in her education. So a kindergartener can be considered to be a successful student even though she cannot yet read, write, or do math.
In the same way, an embryo can be alive even though it does not have the specific bodily functions or organs that characterize living newborns, teenagers, and adults.
Defining Embryonic Death
But analogy alone won’t suffice to make the point, so I will draw from Tom’s arguments from the Facebook discussion topic. So as not to misrepresent Tom’s case, I will quote directly from his comments.
Tom wrote:
Okay, so you put an IVF/ESCr embryo into a clinical setting. Respiration = 0, heart rate = 0, brain activity = 0. Declare time of death. Ovum donor donates to medical research, ESC are harvested just as any other corpse's organs would be. Embryo = DEAD HUMAN BEING by ANY clinical definition. With no uterus to gestate in, the embryo cannot become a living human being.
The cessation of brain activity is the accepted clinical indication of the death of a postnatal human being, but it is not what defines the death of a human being. The clinically agreed upon Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA) states that “brain death is the legal equivalent of death because . . . the capacity for life is irretrievably lost when the entire brain, including the brain stem, has ceased functioning.” First, what defines “death” is when “the capacity for life is irretrievably lost,” sometimes phrased as the “irreversible loss of integrated organic function,” which has been clinically determined to occur for postnatal human beings when brain functioning ceases. Second, the UDDA applies only to human beings who once had brain function; the definition of clinical death for an embryo must obviously depend on different criteria, since an embryo has not yet developed a central nervous system.
Landry and Zucker, et al have written the defining study (“Hypocellularity and Absence of Compaction as criteria for embryonic death”)for determining the death of a human being before the onset of neural development. In the proposal paper for this study, they wrote:
For a developed human organism, brain death marks the irreversible loss of the capacity for all ongoing and integrated organic functioning. We propose that the defining capacity of a 4- or 8-cell human embryo is continued and integrated cellular division, growth, and differentiation. We further propose that an embryo that has irreversibly lost this capacity, even as its individual cells are alive, is properly considered organismically dead. (“Embryonic death and the creation of human embryonic stem cells,” Donald W. Landry and Howard A. Zucker, The Journal of Clinical Investigation)
Landry, et al offered the three characteristics of drastically low cell count, arrest of cell division, and failure to compact by embryonic day five as indication of the irreversible loss of integrated function and therefore death of the embryo. I plan to revisit this study in greater detail at a later time, but the key point for this discussion is that there is a clear clinical distinction between a dead embryonic human being and a living embryonic human being. This distinction does not depend on whether the embryo is in utero or ex utero; in other words, an IVF embryo in the petri dish or one slated to be destroyed by a researcher for stem cells is just as much a living human being as one that has been conceived naturally, so long as it does not exhibit the three characteristics that define embryonic death. After all, the study was conducted on IVF embryos that had already been rejected as “non-viable;” however, the researchers determined that over two-thirds of these “non-viable” embryos were not organismically dead. As Landry et al wrote: “‘Nonviability’ merely indicates the lack of a capacity to develop to live birth and does not necessarily imply death.”
When Does a Human Life Begin?
Even this may be beside the point, for when Tom writes, “Embryo = DEAD HUMAN BEING” he implies that the embryo was first alive to begin with, for only living beings can die. But some of Tom’s other comments suggest that he considers the embryo was never a living human being to begin with:
People with some misguided "moral" objections can cram their self-righteous ignorances into whatever orifice they want, because within two decades, ESCr-derived treatments will be both as available and morally unambiguous as organ transplantation is today. My kidney is alive, it is human, but it is in no way a human being. An embryo is just a clump of cells, and without a woman to gestate in, that's all they can ever be. On the human level, they are dead and can never qualify as "alive" for lack of respiration, blood, or CNS. If you see no ethical quandary over the donation of organs, there can be none against ESCr.
Now I am not opposed to organ donation. In fact, I am a designated organ donor myself. What I am opposed to, however, is any form of organ donation that first requires purposefully killing a living human being in order to harvest his or her organs. So the critical question is what defines the beginning of life of a human being?
In this area the medical literature is clear:
“Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm… unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”
“A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).” (Keith L. Moore, T.V.N. Persaud, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2)
“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a ‘moment’) is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.” (Ronan O'Rahilly and Fabiola Müller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8)
“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitues the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual.” (Clark Edward Corliss, Patten's Human Embryology: Elements of Clinical Development. New York: McGraw Hill, 1976. p. 30)
“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum(zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.” (Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3)
In testimony before a Senate Judicial Subcommittee in 1981, these medical experts testified:
Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive...It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”
Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni, Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania: “I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception….. I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and that any interruption at any point throughout this time constitutes a termination of human life....”
Dr. Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics, University of Descartes: “After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion.… The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”
Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter – the beginning is conception.”
The report concludes with the following: “Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being - a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.” (Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981, 7)
The Embryo as a Developing Human Being
Finally, in response to Tom’s claim that “An embryo is just a clump of cells, and without a woman to gestate in, that's all they can ever be…” I offer this distinction by Dr. Maureen Condic, Associate Professor of Neurobiology and Anatomy at the University of Utah School of Medicine:
The critical difference between a collection of cells and a living organism is the ability of an organism to act in a coordinated manner for the continued health and maintenance of the body as a whole. It is precisely this ability that breaks down at the moment of death, however death might occur. Dead bodies may have plenty of live cells, but their cells no longer function together in a coordinated manner. We can take living organs and cells from dead people for transplant to patients without a breach of ethics precisely because corpses are no longer living human beings. Human life is defined by the ability to function as an integrated whole—not by the mere presence of living human cells….
Embryos are in full possession of the very characteristic that distinguishes a living human being from a dead one: the ability of all cells in the body to function together as an organism, with all parts acting in an integrated manner for the continued life and health of the body as a whole.
Linking human status to the nature of developing embryos is neither subjective nor open to personal opinion. Human embryos are living human beings precisely because they possess the single defining feature of human life that is lost in the moment of death—the ability to function as a coordinated organism rather than merely as a group of living human cells. (“Life: Defining the Beginning by the End,” Maureen L. Condic)
The fact that an embryo will never be implanted into a womb and given the chance to continue developing doesn’t change its identity as a human being. All living organisms are dependent on environmental factors to continue living. But the lack of these dependencies does not change the nature of the organism. A man placed in a room with no food or water does not cease to be a human being the instant he is sealed inside; unless he is released he will die within a few days, but he remains a living human being until the moment of death. In the same way, an embryo in a petri dish does not cease to be a living human being when it is not implanted into a womb; it remains a living human being until it dies from lack of sustenance or is destroyed by a researcher or technician.
An embryo is not dead, nor is it just a clump of living cells. An embryo does not become a human being at some later point or only when it is provided with a uterus to gestate in, an embryo is a living human being at a very early stage of development that has not yet developed the attributes of more mature human beings. To deny the humanity of the embryo is to deny the medical literature.
This is part 2 of the transcript of a debate on embryonic stem cell research that I am having on the Facebook group “Support Stem Cell Research.” I will be collating the comments in each part to focus on a specific argument, which means that some comments will be trimmed to only the pertinent sections, with other parts being addressed later in the series. The full discussion topic can be seen here, and there have also been some particularly nasty comments on the main wall of the board today that I may include in the future as well.
This part will focus on the argument that ESCR will primarily use frozen embryos left over from IVF procedures. Other people’s comments are indented and italicized to help distinguish who is speaking.
Tom wrote:
So you would have no problem with ESCr employing only leftover, unwanted, unused embryos from in-vitro fertilization clinics, wouldn't you? These embryos are created en masse because the process of scraping the ovary is invasive and therefore potentially dangerous, as well as uncomfortable and costly; the process to create the embryos is also expensive, so the fewer times these procedures are repeated, the more likely they will result in a successful embryo formation and implantation. But that leaves over 600,000 embryos in freezers right now in America, 350,000 of which will be thrown in the trash to be incinerated as medical waste EVERY YEAR. Donated to ESC medical research, these would be absolutely invaluable towards saving and improving REAL, FEELING, human LIVES.ESCr destroys no "life." It takes cells which have absolutely no potential future other than as incinerator fuel, and applies them to research into treatments for some of our most debilitating diseases today. Did you know that 60-80% of all naturally-fertilized embryos are rejected from a woman's body, by her own natural processes? Where is the authoritarian demonization of menstruation after coital sex?
Tom, the fact that there are 400,000 (I'm not sure where you got your 600,000 figure) frozen embryos doesn't mean that they are all available for embryonic stem cell research. The most accurate data collected by the RAND Institute states that only 11,000 embryos have been designated for research, from which at most only 275 viable stem cell lines can be generated. That will simply not be sufficient for the research necessary to find treatments using ESCs. Thus it is inevitable that pursuing ESCr will require the creation of new embryos specifically for the purpose of research.
Here is the link to the RAND Institute study:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9038/index1.html
Even if you consider one recent study that suggests (through survey results) that perhaps there will be up to 100,000 "leftover" embryos available for research, which may perhaps result in a "100-fold" increase in the potential number of stem cell lines (though the study doesn't describe why a 10x increase in embryos would result in a 100x increase in stem cell lines), this would result in at most 27,500 stem cell lines available. Considering that up to 100 million people can stand to benefit from treatments using stem cells, even this 27,500 number will be insufficient, and many more embryos will have to be created and destroyed if those treatments will come from ESCr.
On the other hand, scientists face no such limitation in the use of iPSC cells, since hundreds of iPSC lines can be generated from one skin biopsy, all of them exactly matched to the DNA of the patient.
Tom wrote:
"only 11,000 embryos have been designated for research, from which at most only 275 viable stem cell lines can be generated"Not bad, since the ban on federal funding for embryonic research was just lifted three days ago.
"That will simply not be sufficient for the research necessary to find treatments using ESCs"
Based on what possible model?
"it is inevitable that pursuing ESCr will require the creation of new embryos specifically for the purpose of research"
I certainly don't have a problem with that, if it comes true. Those who do are welcome not to accept treatments derived from ESCr.
Apparently you didn't read the actual RAND report that determined these numbers. Otherwise you would have noticed that the report was published in 2003, and that the numbers of embryos available for research have no connection with Obama's order lifting the ban. You seem to imply that given more time more of these "leftover" embryos will be available for research, which is simply not true. The numbers that I cited are the maximum numbers of stem cell lines that can be generated from "leftover" embryos without the creation of new embryos specifically for research.
The reason that even 27,500 stem cell lines will not be enough if scientists want to actually use ESC for the treatment of diseases is because, like in organ transplantation, there must be tissue match between donor and recipient, otherwise the patient's own immune system will reject the transplanted tissue. Even 27,500 unique stem cell lines will not provide enough of a variety of tissue types to provide treatments for even a small percentage of the 100 million people that can stand to benefit from stem cells.
This means that SCNT (ie "therapeutic cloning") will be required when it comes time for doctors to actually try to treatment people, which will require the creation of embryos on a massive scale.
As you said, Tom, you don't have a problem with creating new life for the purpose of research, so my point won't mean anything to you. However, it's important for people to be aware that IVF embryos will ~not~ be the only ones used for ESC research.
Tom wrote:
A pregnancy miscarries. Do the parents have the right to donate that fetus to medical research, or should they pop it into a freezer until all of its cells are dead, so they can incinerate it?Leftover IVF embryos have no uterus in which to gestate. They are only different from any miscarriage in that they were NEVER in a uterus in the first place, and never even had the potential of that fetus -- not that 'potential' is a rational argument for anything, considering that you and I are 'potential' corpses, yet nobody will argue for the treatment of living people AS corpses until that comes to pass.
The arguments against allowing the donation of waste IVF embryos to medical research are pathetic, self-serving and/or self-righteous, and academic: not only do over 2/3 of Americans favor embryonic stem cell research, but both the President and the super-majority of Congress do, too. Funding will be established within the year, and after the first ESCr-derived treatments become available, the bulk of the opposition will finally realize what idiots they have been -- just like the opponents of organ transplant did, decades ago, when their loved ones first benefited from organ transplants.
Within my lifetime, people will laugh derisively at the idea that anyone ever opposed embryonic stem cell research the same way they do at opposition to organ transplant, opposition to interracial marriage, and opposition to women's suffrage. (Heck, lots of us already do)
Tom wrote:
"The arguments against allowing the donation of waste IVF embryos to medical research are pathetic, self-serving and/or self-righteous, and academic..."
And your assertion is entirely unsupported. If the arguments are really so pathetic, then why haven't you actually responded to the points I made earlier showing that the number of unique stem cell lines that can be generated from "leftover" IVF embryos will not be sufficient to provide the range of tissue matches required to provide actual treatment to all the people who could potentially benefit from stem cell treatments. Thus your argument implying that only IVF embryos will be used in ESCR is misleading and purposefully draws attention away from the fact that the majority of ESCR will require the creation of new embryos specifically for research.
Tom wrote: “Because you didn't bother to support your statements, so I see no need to rebut. It is also utterly tangential to the question of whether or not research itself should be conducted on these bits of human waste byproduct.”
Which of my statements did I not support? All the figures that I cited, the 400,000 leftover IVF embryos, the 11,000 embryos actually designated for research, and the 275 maximum potential stem cell lines that can be derived from these IVF embryos, were all taken directly from the RAND Institute study conducted in 2003, which is currently the most accurate data available. I even gave you the link to that report, but let me include it again: http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9038/index1.html
I've never seen you cite where you got your figure of 600,000 for the number of frozen IVF embryos, even though you have tossed that number around in a number of discussion topics.
Marianne wrote:
HOW MANY TIMES? There are embryos which are not being used, they're going to be incinerated. Why not use them to cessate the suffering of the LIVING - the very proposal you're making is that suffering is bad and life should be preserved, well these embryos have ZERO chance of life but there are real, living, breathing PEOPLE with diseases which might be curable if these embryos are used. It's a completely untenable position you hold.
Three times in this discussion I have cited the hard, empirical numbers that show that the maximum number of stem cell lines that may be derived from current "leftover" IVF embryos is 275. No one has yet refuted these numbers, nor has anyone provided any evidence that the stem cells derived from these "leftover" embryos will actually be the ones used to treat the 100 million people that can stand to benefit from stem cell treatments.
So until someone can show actual evidence that only these leftover embryos will actually be used to treat people, I will continue to state that it is misleading and deceptive to imply that treatments from ESC research will only come from IVF embryos. Your arguments supporting SCNT imply that you know very well that treatments utilizing embryonic stem cells will undoubtedly require the creation of new embryos through SCNT, rather than relying only on IVF embryos.
Summary
The “leftover” embryos argument is probably the most influential argument used by ESCR proponents, even having an effect on those who may in principle be opposed to the creation of new embryos specifically for research. The reason it is so influential is because it is a sad fact that the vast majority of the “leftover” embryos currently in storage will indeed simply be disposed of—a devastating tragedy in and of itself. So this argument preys on the desire to at least have this mass destruction of innocent life at least mean something positive by way of medical research for people currently living with crippling diseases.
But this is a misleading and deceptive argument, because the numbers show that these “leftover” embryos simply will not be sufficient when the time comes to try to develop actual treatments for patients using ESCR. My earlier entry on “The Slippery Slope of Embryonic Stem Cell Research” goes in depth into why this is the case.
In the debate, I repeatedly raised the hard numbers from the RAND Institute study indicating that only a maximum of 275 unique stem cell lines could be derived from the “leftover” IVF embryos. Neither of the people responding tried to refute those numbers, nor my claim that ESCR would inevitably require the creation of new embryos specifically for research, which has already been taking place in private labs around the world, and soon in federally funded labs in America. This is a conclusion that must be brought out whenever someone tries to use the “leftover embryos” argument.
So the tragic situation is that if ESCR is allowed to continue, not only will these IVF embryos be destroyed for no significant purpose, but it will actually prepare the way for an even greater acceptance of the use of humans in the earliest and most fragile state of development as simply a useful commodity.
The debate continues with Part 3: Dehumanizing the Embryo. Also see my earlier post on The Slippery Slope of Embryonic Stem Cell Research.
I inadvertently sparked a vigorous debate over embryonic stem cell research on one of the largest Facebook groups for stem cell research. It all started with an innocent comment I made to try to correct a misunderstanding that one wall poster had about stem cells. He commented that four years ago he was healed from a spinal injury by stem cells, but then he followed that with an epithet against the Republican party, a theme that is commonly repeated in this group by those who believe that Pres. George Bush’s policy restricting federal funds from being used to create new stem cell lines from embryos was the worst thing that could have happened to stem cell research. I simply made the comment that,
Since it was only this year that the FDA approved the first human trials using embryonic stem cells, the cure that you received was most likely the result of adult stem cells, which have never been restricted by any party in the government since there are no ethical qualms surrounding them. Your treatment thus serves as another example of the importance of focusing on ASCr [adult stem cell research] and the new iPSCs [induced Pluripotent Stem Cells] instead of on ESCr. You should be proclaiming the merits of adult stem cells rather than embryonic stem cells.
This comment drew a response from Tom, one of the most vocal members of this group, and when I responded to his comment, things kind of snowballed from there.
As a teacher, I believe that it is very important to help my students accurately see the various sides to an issue before drawing a conclusion, especially one as controversial as stem cell research. One of the best tools for helping my students gain this is by showing them a debate between two well versed representatives taking opposing sides on an issue. Now I’m not a biologist, nor a bioethicist, and I don’t know what the people that I’ve been debating with do, and I certainly wouldn’t count any of us as experts on the topic, but I believe that our discussion has hit many of the key arguments for and against embryonic stem cell research. So I thought that it might help others gain a deeper understanding of some of the issues involving stem cell research if I posted snippets from the ongoing debate, so that people could see the arguments and responses given by those who support and those who oppose embryonic stem cell research.
I would like to say that I’ve inspired others to join in the fight, but so far it’s primarily been just me against four of the most ardent supporters of embryonic stem cell research in the group. And even though the debate has only been going on for several days, it’s probably already too verbose for me to simply copy over verbatim, so I will be doing some selecting and trimming so as not to scare away my readers. But you can see the full, ongoing debate at this link, and you are certainly invited to join in!
Key to acronyms: ESCr = “embryonic stem cell research”; ASC = adult stem cells; iPSC = induced pluripotent stem cells (stem cells derived by reprogramming human somatic cells)
So let me start off with just the first exchange between Tom and myself:
Tom wrote:
Ken, there is no rational reason to focus on ASC "instead of" ESC. It is a false dichotomy. They are separate studies, and DO NOT SHARE FUNDING.
The "ethical qualms" can be easily resolved with a little logical thought:
You are in a burning building. Equidistant from you are a crippled child and two frozen embryos. You only have time to save one, but not both. Which do you save?
If you save the embryos, then what? Like ESCr embryos or leftover IVF embryos, they have a 0% chance of being implanted in a uterus to conceive a pregnancy. Even if they were, 75% of IVF embryos fail to implant. Even if they did, there is a 23% chance that the pregnancy will miscarry. So the embryos really only have the potential to die, anyway.
If you save the child, then you acknowledge that the life of a child is worth more than twice as many embryos; why would you consider it okay to sacrifice these embryos to save a child's life from a fire, but not from a deadly disease?
My response:
Where your analogy is wrong is that it falsely phrases the choice as either save the child ~or~ the embryos, when in fact the child could be saved without the destruction of embryos at all. Let's rewrite your analogy to make it more consistent with the reality of ESCr:
You are in a burning building. Inside the building is a crippled child. You have time to save that one child, but not anyone else. And then someone goes and drops two frozen embryos into the building.
I do believe that the life of a child is worth more than the two frozen embryos, so I would still save the child. But then I would ask, why pursue a line of research that involves the creation and destruction of embryos to find treatments, when iPSCs offer the same potential without requiring the destruction of embryos?
Also, the gov't only has so much funding for research, so whatever goes to ESC is that much less going to ASC and iPSC research.
The debate continues with Part 2: The Leftover Embryos Argument, and Part 3: Dehumanizing the Embryo. Also see my earlier post on The Slippery Slope of Embryonic Stem Cell Research.